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meme time... FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME
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Been meaning to do this for ages... Started by dsudis: So I was adding some new interests to my LJ profile and found myself feeling defensive every time I typed a female name, thinking, basically, FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME, because I felt as if someone somewhere was going to be criticizing my love for them.

So, anyway, then I made a list of women who make me want to say FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME. They are far from the only women who are awesome, or the only women people need to be told to step off of, but they are the top ten I feel that way about, right now, off the top of my head.

If you want to argue with me about the awesomeness of any of these women, I am afraid I will simply be referring you to the subject line. THAT IS ALL.

Because here's the thing, I totally accept that not everyone's going to like every character I love, but I'm really tired of feeling like I'm going on the defensive every time I admit to loving a female character.


FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME:

(Jennifer Keller (SGA), Samantha Carter (SG-1/SGA), Teyla Emmagan (SGA), Vala Mal Doran (SG-1), Nyota Uhura (ST)
Ziva David (NCIS), Kate Lockley (AtS), Gwen Cooper (TW), Winifred Burkle (AtS), Buffy Summers (BtVS))

Originally posted at Dreamwidth. Comments: comment count unavailable

ROFL! You are my hero! Fuck them all, you're awesome!

All credit goes to dsudis. :)

My icon joins your icon in the firefight! (Oh noes, I forgot, Keller would not ever fire a P-90, she's in the kitchen with her kids because she knows her place in the infirmary with her patients!)

Wonderful! And don't worry, Teyla has already made sure that the baby is safe at home with the men! LOL!

That meme is awesome. :) And I concur.

Yeah, that meme is brilliant! And I enjoy reading other people's lists.

I love your list. Nice meme, too.

(If I had time to do this I'd for sure include ZOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (Firefly/Serenity):)

I love your list. Nice meme, too.

If these meme didn't exist we'd have to invent it! You know what else is awesome (besides these ladies here)? When you google "fuck you, she's awesome" you get, like, 1,600 hits.

And hey, this post has been up for over twelve hours and no defriendings yet. :P

You know, I'd never realised that I do feel defensive about the women characters that I love (particularly in scifi) before, but it is so true...

Yeah. I'm so darn tired of feeling like I have to add a "please don't bash this character when you comment" to certain fic recs. It shouldn't be necessary, but it is. And it sucks. It needs to stop.

FANTASTIC POST!

I love Keller, Carter, Teyla, Vala, Uhura, Ziva and Buffy! (And I'm sure I'd like the others too, if I knew who they were!)

So I echo your sentiments exactly! Women kick ass!

Awesome!
I like this idea so much, I'm stealing it and sending it to my LJ.

I totally agree. And add Cordy to the end of the list ;o)

Great meme!! I totally agree with your choices! :D

Yay! Glad to see this one going around again--I just wish I had my Carter-with-rocket-launcher icon available on LJ! :)

It's a great meme! Filling it out felt very satisfying, I must say.

I just wish I had my Carter-with-rocket-launcher icon available on LJ! :)

I made myself a Keller-with-machine-gun one to honor the occasion. I'm tempted to make this my default icon. ;)

Oh, Fred, Fred, my darling Fred! I loved her best of all, I think.

*applauds* Because we all need a good listing of women who *aren't* just there to simper at the nearest male, look pretty and do nothing.
Also:
Aeryn Sun
Willow
Jenna Stannis (pilot from B7)
Cally (telepath ")
Ambassador Delenn of Minbar (Babylon 5)
Commander Susan Ivanova
Lyta Alexander (PsiCorps)
Na'toth of Narn
Uhura (ST-ToS)
...think I'd better stop there. *g*



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<i\So I was adding some new interests to my LJ profile and found myself feeling defensive every time I typed a female name</i> This I don't understand. I could understand if it was because the said persons was fictive tv-characters. But because said character is female?!

I have not seen Claudia Black as Vala, but I think that she was pretty awesome as Aeryn Sun

Wow, what corner of the fandom do you live in?

There's a general tendency to examine female characters immediately for weaknesses, latch onto any flaw in the writing (real or perceived), come to the inevitable conclusion that they make insufficient feminist role models, discard them, declare them free-for-all bashing fodder, and go back to squeeing over the pretty boys (who tend to get loved for the very same flaws and characteristics the girls get hated for).

People picked apart Uhura in Trek XI soon as the movie ended, and decided she wasn't awesome enough (which in many cases I translated to "she's getting between Kirk/Spock"), all under the banner of "feminism". I can link you to a few interesting discussions, if you like. Even Buffy got her share of hate. Buffy! Because she was cold and distant (not like she had any reason to) and she abused poor woobie Spike.

For many of these ladies here, there exist various hate or kill-her comms. Several of them have been declared canon Sues. And don't get me started on Jennifer Keller or Kate Lockley.

One gets to feel defensive after a while because those who do love these characters have to expect the haters descending on them, bashing the character and trying to talk them out of it at any given time, in any given post. So you end up having to justify your love for a character again and again, instead of just being able to lean back and enjoy. It gets very tiresome.

I have not seen Claudia Black as Vala, but I think that she was pretty awesome as Aeryn Sun

She's fantastic as Vala. If you like Claudia Black, I recommend checking out the later seasons of Stargate. I'm getting Farscape S1 from a friend soon, I'm curious, I heard many good things about that show.

Edited at 2009-10-01 08:54 am (UTC)

The only fandom I have followed close has been BtVS. And yes I was participating in "The Spike War" :) So I have seen long essays on how character X ruined the show. I never too understood that hatred, that there was over for Buffy. personally I felt, that I could understand emotionally her behavior and still like her.

Perhaps gender makes us judge, character of opposite gender more positively, than we would over for our own.

If you you watch Farscape s1 I would suggest that you jump over "Jeremiah Crichton", because it truly stinks. And I think the season 1 get stronger after said episode.

Another show that I really liked (and who also canceled too) with interesting female charterers is The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I don't know if you are familiarly with it. But it was different from a lot of show, that the female characters was so central in story, and in a proactive way too. There are pairings but they are not central and happy endings are temporary

I never too understood that hatred, that there was over for Buffy. personally I felt, that I could understand emotionally her behavior and still like her.

It's baffling. She's been through hell, where's the empathy, people? And personally, I found her character arc totally fascinating. It's rare that a show goes to such a dark place with their heroes.

I heard only good things about SCC but I watched one episode with some friends that completely failed to grasp our attention. Maybe just picked the wrong one. Actually I also watched one episode of Farscape that made absolutely no sense to me. ;) But I'll give it another shot. If only because Claudia Black is in it, and because I hear that Ben Browder actually gets to act on that show. (Cam Mitchell grows on you, but at first I found him super-bland.)

Farscape can be rather swinging in quality, mostly because I think that they were ambitious in their storytelling. And crack the quotient as well as the amount of bodily fluids are high, good stuff. Ben Browder starts in Farscape, as a rather typical US hero. But he don't stay that way. I would think that he and Buffy could relate.

I started to SCC watch the show, with rather low expectations. But I got more and more impressed with storytelling and the characters.

And crack the quotient as well as the amount of bodily fluids are high, good stuff.

lol. Consider my curiosity piqued.

Yet more proof that not every fucked up thing women do is the fault of men ;)

On a related note, I'd add that it seems many writers who do pretty well otherwise with female characters, seem to only be able to (or feel they have to?) make them 'strong' by surrounding them with weaker men.

I peeked below -- glad to see you're finally about to give Farscape a shot. Just be forewarned that a) its pretty uneven at times but my god, when they're good they're awe-inspiring, and b) don't look for rock solid internal logic and plausibility -- the writers belonged a bit too much to the "Hey, it's sci-fi, we can do whatever we want!" Plus the Aussie-Brit pedigree leads to a borderline campy feel in some ways, compared to US scifi like Trek or B5.

I'll also add that after S1 the original creator/head writer (Rockne O'Bannon) stepped back a bit as showrunner and David Kemper took over more, leading IMO to a more... volatile... sometimes frenetic... approach.
But, flaws and all, Farscape was magnificent and -- all too rarely -- was that rarest of things, a serialized 'big arc' scifi series that was able to *finish* by god.